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The Princess And The Frog Is Disney’s Queen Of Crap

Let’s cut straight to the chase:  This movie is some fucked up racist bullshit aimed squarely at placating the black community like a bitch slap from a pimp placates a whore.  Shut the fuck up and take the crumbs you’re given is what Disney is saying.  After all these decades of black children being treated like crap Cinderella wouldn’t even touch, this is supposed to be the best that Disney can do?  A black girl from Louisiana finds her prince charming with some dude that looks about as black as one of the main characters from an old Speed Racer cartoon with a damn good tan.  Can anyone tell me what’s the difference between this and the tried and true formula of a black woman being saved by a non black man crap that you can see in just about any Girlfriends episode?  And this is what the Disney Corporation calls its tribute to the black community?

There is little doubt that the sentiment that Disney could have kept this half baked piece of propaganda filth is not shared by the entire black community.  Indeed, there are black people who are proud to welcome this trash.  Some people will say now our black children have the role models that they should’ve had decades ago.  Now, our little black girls have a Disney designed role model to show them that it’s okay that they look for their prince charming in someplace other than their young black brothers .  But our little black boys will just have to wait until Disney can produce that cartoon that shows a young black male kicking it up with any pretty girl as long as she wasn’t black.  Black boys will have to wait for their role model that says abandoning the black community is a Disney approved move.  Maybe Disney will do a cartoon based on the life of Tiger Woods.  That’s bound to show our young black boys what to look for when trying to start a romantic relationship that will have a positive impact on the black community.

All the black people who helped produce this movie are collaborators in Disney’s promotion of behavior that contributes to the black community’s schism.  Instead of reading the script, scratching their head, and offering some suggestion that maybe a young black princess should be holding out for a young black prince, these people are ready to shuck and jive to whatever their Disney handlers, no doubt representatives of the racially generic dominant community that is predominantly predisposed towards white privilege, say is an appropriate depiction of black people.  The role of Tiana is played by Anika Noni Rose.  Oprah Winfrey, the bastion of all things geared for the black community’s abandonment and racial assimilation, plays Tiana’s mother Eudora.  Terrence Howard plays Tiana’s father, too busy jig-a-booing for Disney to reprise his role in Iron Man as the new War Machine.  Jenifer Lewis plays a fairy godmother, because the black community is just full of fairy godmothers coming to grant our every wish but somehow keep missing the wish for true racial equality and harmony.

The role of Maldonia Prince Naveem is played by Brazilian born, steely grey eyed actor Bruno Campo.  Naveem is gregarious, fun loving and refuses to take life seriously.  He goes to the French Quarter of New Orleans to have a good time.  Somewhat naïve, he falls into a sort of tourist trap that results in him being cursed and transformed into a frog.  And this is the hero for our heroine?

But the biggest disappointment of all has got to be Keith David’s portrayal of Dr. Facilier, a con man who uses images suggesting the Yoruba based ancient African spiritual tradition of Ifa to cast evil spells and produce all manners of chaos.  Black people can’t just participate in the production of a cartoon depicting young black women with non black young men.  We then have to participate in another stereotype of ancient African spirituality as something evil and cursed.  These black people are happy to do their part to spread the often held perception that African spirituality is something to be avoided.

Dr. Facilier is depicted as a practitioner of voodoo and a follower of Osun.  In true Ifa practice, Osun is the Orisa of the river and is often depicted as a mermaid looking at herself in a mirror.  It’s already bad enough that we’ve already allowed Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and other major religions to usurp black people’s ability to relate to our African spirituality.  Let’s do even more to assure that the majority of us never recognize our spiritual heritage for the guiding force it truly should be in our lives.  It’s all voodoo and black magic.  David Keith wouldn’t know anything about Ifa or the Orisas or his spiritual ancestors if they all manifested tomorrow and slapped that toothy smile off his greasy, cheesing face.

But hey, people say that this is a positive step for Disney’s relationship with the black community.  Sure, it would have been nice if black people could’ve been given something resembling respect of our cultures and traditions.  But we have to start somewhere and this interpretation of a black princess is better than nothing.  At least that’s what some people think.  Given those two choices in the matter I’d think it would have been better if they kept this tripe out of the theater and continued to ignore the black community.  If this is what we can expect from Disney then it’s probably no stretch of the imagination to assume that their next film regarding the black community will be something about Shaniqua, the welfare queen with a Cadillac as a coach.

Monday, December 7, 2009 - Posted by | African Americans, Black Community, Black Culture, Black People, Life, Racism, Thoughts | ,

42 Comments »

  1. If I have any criticism of your writing it’s this: you show no passion! Plus, I’m never sure where you stand on issues!

    Enlightening post.

    Blessings.

    Comment by asabagna | Tuesday, December 8, 2009 | Reply

  2. I agree with Asabagna. BrotherP how do you really feel about this movie? Anyway, you know that as blacks we should just be happy that Disney has decided to exploit us.

    Great post!

    Comment by theblacksentinel | Tuesday, December 8, 2009 | Reply

  3. Thanks for the feedback Asa and theblacksentinel,

    A bit over the top huh? And I thought I was holding back.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Tuesday, December 8, 2009 | Reply

  4. Ice water!!! Someone get some ice water stat, and some steaks, because this post is straight fire, and I love it.

    Comment by Dark Frosty | Tuesday, December 8, 2009 | Reply

  5. But our little black boys will just have to wait until Disney can produce that cartoon that shows a young black male kicking it up with any pretty girl as long as she wasn’t black. Black boys will have to wait for their role model that says abandoning the black community is a Disney approved move.

    But why should they have to wait?
    Are there no talented artists, animators and writers in the Afro American community and the african community at large.
    Surely we are brimming with talent at home and abroad.
    What then prevents us from creating our own, granted, it may not be as grand or expensively produced as any Disney cartoon but the rewards in the form of positive imagery for young minds and the pride of accomplishment within the community would be invaluable.

    It is painful to see afro americans still knocking on the door of inclusion rather than beating their own paths which really is something that ought to have been several years ago.

    Comment by Obsidian | Saturday, December 12, 2009 | Reply

    • I am a “African/Jamaican american talented animator and artist”. I also believe there are more like me, but many grow up with the mind set that they can’t go any farther than where they are. Or the females who get pregnant and stop there. Im female had kids young but they where my motivation to go farther. So I just want to state that there are but most are raised to belittle themselves, or grow up with the fears of going far with racism……..

      Comment by Tatiana | Friday, July 23, 2010 | Reply

  6. Thanks for the feedback Obsidian,

    It would be nice to think that our talented young blacks have access to the type of resources typical of big budget movies that Hollywood studios can produce. And even if it was true that they had the resources to produce a movie, marketing and distribution presents other logistical problems. The system of distributing films is actually designed to keep black people out. It is carefully controlled by the establishment. A lot of black artists are creating their own films today. But without the tools necessary to get that film to you, without the resources to market their films, chances are you will never see them. It is always easier to play by the establishment’s rules. Black Hollywood stars with more money than any Egyptian pharaoh could pool their resources and develop their own network. But then they’ll never work in Hollywood again. And that’s a risk black people who could help establish the black community as a producer of films, is unwilling to take.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Saturday, December 12, 2009 | Reply

  7. i took my 8 year old daughter to see the movie earlier to day. i was a bit skeptical and leery, because i knew the prince was not “really black”… he’s black in a tiger woods kind of way! *smile* but i was pleasantly surprised.

    pull back some “people’s” tissue-thin sensitivities a tad bit and you find just another innocuous disney fairy tale that happens to have a Black Princess who lives happily ever after… and when it’s all said and done, isn’t that what ya’ll wanted?!?

    as an aside: it’s the princess who saves the prince’s ass in this one!

    Comment by plez... | Saturday, December 12, 2009 | Reply

    • uh….no first of all the girl don’t save nothing she was just a poor black girl that had to marry a white man too live happily ever after….and she had too marry a white man to be a princess and change herself back into a woman…..you need to read between the lines and not just take what Disney puts on the screen for what it is this movie is total disrespect to the black community…….Im so happy I read this post because I thought I was the only one that relized this movie was bull crap……I always ask people this question when they talk about this movie and I will ask it again……WHO THE HELL IS THE PRINCESS IN THE MOVIE “THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG”? because it damn sho wasnt Tiana

      Comment by yasmin washington | Thursday, October 27, 2011 | Reply

  8. Thanks for the feedback plez,

    When you say you were a bit skeptical and leery I can see that it was only a very tiny bit. You might think that the film is innocuous. Some people think that the racist Bugs Bunny cartoons from the fifties with black people portrayed with big lips, black skin, and looking like picaninnies was innocuous as well. It was all good wholesome fun at black people’s expense. What you call just another innocuous Disney fairy tale will quickly turn into a multi million dollar cash cow. No doubt your daughter will get Tiana dolls and Maldonia paraphernalia. And no doubt there is now a better chance that your future son in law, or whoever will be your daughter’s significant other, will be someone from outside the black community. And the fact that another black person would decide to leave the black community behind for a more racially ambiguous or generic relationship really doesn’t sound all that innocuous for the future of the black community.

    And I don’t know who you’re talking to when you say that this is what y’all wanted. What I want is a strong black community. You can’t get that when so many black people are busy taking their sons and daughters to the theater to worship all things Disney. But then again, a lot of y’all are more than happy to turn y’all’s back on the black community in search of more innocuous pursuits.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Saturday, December 12, 2009 | Reply

  9. Plez seems to be extremely confused. You ask isn’t that what “Ya’ll” wanted? When the only one taking their child to see the crap is YOU. So it MUST be what YOU wanted. As you won’t see me nor my children feasting on that propaganda.

    You may believe that it is innocuous for Disney to say that they couldn’t find any stories that could encompass a black princess. And that they purposefully made the prince racially ambiguous.

    Ask yourself why did they make the prince racially ambiguous? What purpose did that serve? As if he is going to be from a fictional country anyway, why couldn’t he be a black prince then?

    And what, if anything is this telling your black daughter? And do you care? That is the real issue. And answer seems to be a resounding no. You are probably from the school of thought that it makes no real difference if your daughter identifies with black culture, black males or the black community.

    So continue allow her to idolize Princes with Disney’s European standard of beauty icons including that racially ambiguous prince. Then she can picture herself more like the princess with long flowing hair, light skin and keen features.

    While dreaming of the day her prince comes from anywhere except the black community, maybe even Maldonia. To get her like Disney’s princess, out of the black community that Disney obviously feels holds nothing for a black woman.

    Comment by theblacksentinel | Sunday, December 13, 2009 | Reply

  10. this prettey much hits the nail on the head. what was diseny thinking macking the crap

    Comment by Daraix | Thursday, December 17, 2009 | Reply

  11. Just saw this, but point WELLL taken!!

    This is EXACTLY what happens when blacks are not in control. We settle for the crumbs and the illusion that we are accepted. We crave acceptance from the wrong folks. Any image can be made of us because we are a hard headed people who refuses to pool our resources and give each other respect. Non-black people and companies write books about us, plays about us, visual art work depicting us, make movies and documentaries about us, and capitalize off of it. There are also bound to be stereotypical depictions in all of this mess as well. I hate to say but we are to blame for allowing this to happen. We blame too many people for what ails us. We need to wake the f— up and realize we have more power and control than we think. We need to lose excitement about “Black History Month” put out by “liberals” who want to make us feel “included” by limiting us to thinking being BLACK (PLEASE, not African American) gets REALLY popular during a specific month! Wake up black people!!

    Comment by bringblacks2gether | Sunday, February 21, 2010 | Reply

  12. I can say from my own experience that the black community is not in any way barred from creating films or having them produced. I live and breathe in the arts community. I go to an Art Institute and can tell you there is a high afro american population here producing beautiful work and people are seeing it. Really, everyone needs to stop focusing so much on the color of skin and whether or not a product is going to get published. Creating a film is about making a masterpiece for yourself. If people see it and love, so be it, if they don’t oh well. Art is about self gratification through the creation of something, not people patting you on the back for creating it. If that is the reason a film is produced, then I don’t want to watch it, regardless of the color of the persons skin who created it.

    Comment by Jordan | Tuesday, May 4, 2010 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback Jordan,

      Not to dismiss your experience or anything, but if what you say is true then where are all the black films that should be some portion of the movie industry products? You have black students at the art institute. That’s great! But where are the movies that should be the result of so many black people going through the art educational process? You might see creating a film is about making a masterpiece of yourself. And that is a very lovely, romantic notion. But the movies that are developed for commercial release are about money.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 | Reply

  13. So i come from a multi radcial back round and i love Princess and the frog. In this instance I think you find what your looking for. What I seen from princess and the frog is not a “non black” male being the “savior” for the young black herion. What I saw was a hard working young black woman btrying to make her way in the world through HARD WORK. Her father was a hard worker and didnt have much, but he was happy. I think it points out that although very poor, black people bust their butts and are not just lazy welfare reciepients. I think it also sends a messgae to our younger balck girls to go get it yourself, AND NOT TO DEPEND ON A MAN.I think you find what you are looking for, and maybe you should watch the movie again, just with less skepticism.

    Comment by Lauren | Sunday, October 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback Lauren,

      But maybe you should read the article and my previous comments again with a little less skepticism. It’s wonderful that you find such high minded significance in the movie. If that’s all you wanted to see and that’s all you got then good for you. Maybe you should give my article the same consideration. If you came here with skepticism maybe you’re leading yourself to be skeptical about what I’m saying. Maybe then you’ll find the high minded message in what I’m saying here.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Sunday, October 17, 2010 | Reply

  14. I started reading your article with no preconceived notions or skepticism about your or your views. I admit I enjoyed the movie, but I don’t think it did anything to mold my opinion one way or the other about black people or their spirituality.

    But having read what you had to say, I do have some objections.

    In your opinion, why is that at “a young black princess should be holding out for a young black prince”?

    Isn’t that a racist statement in itself?

    Are young black princes innately better for young black princesses than those of Indian/Asian descent, like the prince in this movie? Or of white descent? Or of any descent whatsoever?

    Why?

    Who are you to judge who any princess or woman of any social standing should, or should not, fall in love with and marry and build a life together with?

    You call yourself brother “peacemaker”, but the above article is as full of finger-pointing epithet-slinging discrimination as any other racist diatribe I’ve ever heard. The above article is about name-calling and invalidation of other’s creative work.

    Of course I haven’t read any of your other blog posts, so maybe your other writings contain a kernel of something that would actually bring about peace. This one does not.

    I believe that peace is built on mutual and rational understanding, a responsible attitude toward understanding the actions and motives of both sides of any issue, and taking full responsiblity for both sides of every issue. Not necessarily accepting those actions and motives, but understanding them and taking responsibility for them and their consequences.

    Your writing in this article contains no such understanding or responsibility, only the demonization and vilification of the creative individuals you have elected as your enemies.

    I wish you all possible success in your quest to make peace.

    Best regards,
    Matthew

    Comment by Matthew Veenker | Saturday, February 5, 2011 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback Matthew Veenker,

      I started reading your comment without any preconceived notions or skepticism about your views. But it quickly became obvious that you have a very simplistic understand of racism void of any sophistication. So I will do my best to explain…

      If there was a history of films that targeted the black community that showed young black couples developing a loving relationship, then this movie would be fine in and of itself. But we don’t have these other movies to look at. The only movie we have about a young black woman trying to develop a relationship with someone else is with one of the few non-black men in the story. Where are the other movies that are geared to the black community that promote black couples? There are none. And it is this continuous and overwhelmingly supported oversight by people within and outside the black community, such as yourself, that is the real problem.

      It is evidence of racial discrimination that we can point to a plethora of movies of white couples developing their relationships, why don’t we have any that feature black couples? The idea that my criticism of this movie is racist is laughable if it wasn’t such an accurate indication of black people’s tolerance for their own racism. We constantly hear that racism isn’t the problem, it is the people who look at racial disparity that are the real problem.

      You asked, Who am I to judge? I am someone who sees disparity and want to do my part to educate others so that they understand what I see. Who are you to judge me because you have either a lack of understanding about racism or a genuine tolerance of racial disparity?

      Lastly, you talk about my name Peacemaker. You accuse me of being someone who is trying to build anything other than peace. But again, your lack of appreciation for the bigger picture is showing and you cannot see the forest for the trees. You think that someone who talks about discrimination is the problem despite the evidence of discrimination all around us. You sound like one of the many people who accused Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of being a troublemaker back in the day and actually celebrated his murder. Or you’re one of those people who begged for Jesus the Christ to be crucified because he was a troublemaker bold enough to go into the church and turn over the tables of the money exchangers. People back in the day would say the same things you say today, How dare these men go against the status quo.

      But now, with a better understanding of history, you would never accuse either one of these men of peace of being troublemakers. You now understand and appreciate what they were trying to say. Maybe one day you will do the same for me.

      By no means does this imply that I consider myself on some par with men of greatness. That’s another argument of the simplistic that I would like to close before it can even get started. All I’m trying to do is to get you to open your eyes and look beyond what you are told to see.

      Your name is Matthew. Your namesake was one of the twelve disciples that followed a man of peace who was supposed to have been murdered on the cross at the behest of the people. You would think someone with your name would actually appreciate a man of peace when you see one.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Sunday, February 6, 2011 | Reply

  15. OK Brother Peacemaker, perhaps my views are simplistic. In my simplistic view, members of the black community are already THE dominant force and trendsetters in music and fashion, bar none. And powerfully creative black people are also a major force in film and television. My boss is a black person. My President is a black person. Members of the black community are members of MY community and my church and my circle of friends.

    The black community IS being represented and voices of individual creative members of that community ARE being heard. Seriously, I am listening to the voices of black people almost continuously every hour of every day, through the music that plays here in the office. I’m listening to black people right this second.

    You want the black community’s views and spirituality to also be expressed in cartoon movies—great! I’m sure there are talented black cartoonists and screenwriters who can (and WILL) work themselves into creative positions with Disney and Dreamworks and Pixar, etc. You want to be represented? Then get up and represent! Write a script and pitch it to Disney. Agitate for more black artists to excel and take up leadership positions in the cartoon industry.

    Instead of attacking the storyteller because he didn’t tell the story you wanted told, get up and tell your story.

    I do not at ALL argue your right to raise your voice.

    Perhaps voices like yours will encourage Disney and other cartoon industry magnates to seek out such talent and actively work to find entertaining stories to tell that will portray black spirituality the way it should be told. I would love to see some cartoon movies with black male heroes and a rich black spiritual heritage.

    So for that I applaud your article.

    Much of what you say is dead-on right. But don’t kid yourself that, “This movie is some fucked up racist bullshit aimed squarely at placating the black community like a bitch slap from a pimp placates a whore” are the words of peace. They are words of provocation, scorn and conflict, leveled at cartoonists and animators whom you don’t know and probably will never meet.

    Like you, I believe Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. or Jesus himself would have spoken up if they were in your shoes. But I believe either one of them would have chosen words more calculated to bring about peace than those I’ve quoted above.

    Peace.

    Comment by Matthew Veenker | Sunday, February 6, 2011 | Reply

    • Matthew Veenker,

      So if I am to understand you correctly, it wasn’t that you felt that I was being racist, you felt that I used improper language. I’m sorry, but I totally missed that message in your first comment. Thanks for the clarification. I’m sorry if my words offended you. But if it is any consolation, I was offended by Disney’s appeal to the black community with that sorry piece of shit film. Excuse the language, but it is what it is. Shit, by any other name, still stinks.

      However, you are mistaken if you think the black community is the dominant force in music and fashion. While it’s true that there are some success stories, the vast majority of movers and shakers in those industries are not blacks. Some black people who operate at the top of their game do well. Just like Oprah Winfrey does well at the top of her media empire. But these people get the vast majority of their income and wealth by their appeal to the white community. I did an article some time ago, and part of my research revealed that something like seventy percent of all hip hop is purchased by the white community. And while many black artist rap about their bitches and hos’, they are hardly referencing to people in the white community. They are paid to degrade the black community. Oprah is paid well even though she ignores the black community. Our first black President distances himself from the black community with rhetoric about how he can’t by law help the black community while he bends over backwards to placate the family of dead miners in West Virginia or makes an appeal for unity when a deranged white man attacks people in Arizona. Black people at the top of their game hardly use their influence for the benefit of the black community.

      I am not a cartoonist so I won’t pretend that I’m going to go out and try to do a cartoon of Disney’s caliber. However, I am a man with a blog who writes about things that I see fit to write about. I take advantage of what I am given. And like you, who felt entitled to write something about something I may have wrote, I feel entitled to write something about what I have read or may have seen elsewhere. You feel my language is provocative. That’s your opinion. I feel that a company like Disney is provocative when they put out shit like the Princess Frog and say it’s their first film aimed at the black community. That is my opinion.

      Having the black protagonist develop a relationship with someone other than a black person does not make a black film. At best, it is a film to promote black people looking outside the black community for the development of their love interests. Such a film is not a boon to the black community or black interests. Like I said before, if this film was only one of a plethora that did promote strong black relationships, then it wouldn’t be such an insult. That is my opinion and I really don’t need your approval, or the approval of anyone else, of how I choose to express how I feel.

      And lastly, it is true that Jesus or Dr. King may have chosen other words. That was their style. I have mine. And despite how politely they may have said what they said, they still wound up dead for challenging the status quo.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Sunday, February 6, 2011 | Reply

  16. Yes, basically I thought the way your article was worded was offensive in its use of obscenities and name-calling and that your words could be interpreted as racist and discriminatory against non-whites. I didn’t really think you intended it that way, but parts of it could definitely be read that way.

    Like, if there was a film about me and a black woman falling in love, would that film be inherently inferior in your view because we were a mixed-race couple? I guess that would only be offensive if we touted that film as a tribute to the black community. I never heard anyone claim that about the Frog/Princess film, but I’m guessing from your commentary that someone must have said that at some point.

    But I agree that the utter lack of black leading male Disney heroes is an affront to black men and the black community.

    And I agree that featuring an entire religious tradition as no more than an evil tool of a wicked man is criminal. To be entirely fair, though, I do recall that the film tried to balance that by featuring a well-intentioned voodoo mystic character, the old woman in the swamp who turned into a very powerful ally. It could just as easily have been a bad Roman Catholic versus a good Roman Catholic for all I cared at the time I watched the film. But I do see that if it had been my own Church members being portrayed onscreen that I would certainly have objected to how they were shown in that film.

    Understood that the corporate heads profiting from the marketing of degradation are primarily white.

    I hope you realize that the degradation you are talking about is damaging to the entire community, both black and white. Both black and white children are being influenced to idolize and emulate the “gangsta and ho” lifestyle that the media glamorizes. It is not only a problem to the black community.

    Yes – Dr. King and Jesus both ended up dead. But their legacy lives on and on and changes lives to this present day in large part because both of them put a reasoned, rational and impassioned voice to dreams and goals and ideals that encompassed the entire community of mankind, not only one race.

    Speech and writing laced with obscenities and finger-pointing, name-calling epithets simply does not have that same power to influence rational men and women beneficially on a long-term basis.

    Such speech may incite to anger or unreasoned action, it may spark debate and dialogue. You got me into a dialogue, didn’t you? So I can’t say such a style is totally without value.

    I see in looking around your blog site a little more that you are a representative of a religious philosophy and practice that seeks a higher plane of existence for all mankind.

    So, my heartfelt advice to you is that your words would have more power and lasting beneficial influence if you worked on increasing the impact and scope of your vocabulary (minus the obscenities and name-calling).

    Peace.

    Comment by Matthew Veenker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

    • Matthew Veenker,

      You asked if a flim about you and a black woman falling in love would be inferior because you were a mixed race couple. The very fact that you feel you have to ask this question reveals your true lack of understanding. You really need to step away from the tree so you can see the forest. If this was a film that was part of a broad spectrum of films then the significance of the film would be rather limited and kept in context. However, if the film is billed as the first representation of the black community and the film does not portray black people socially connected to other black people in the way other films show white people socially connected to other white people, then there is a problem. Back away from the tree, open your eyes, and look around. What else do you see? This film in and of itself is not the problem. The combination of this film and the lack of other films regarding the black community, needs to be given the full attention it deserves.

      Your perception of racism is very limited. The call to end discrimination against black people isn’t solely for the benefit of black people. Getting a sinner to confess his sins isn’t merely for the benefit of the people who were his/her victims. It helps the sinner as well. Getting people to understand and to accept their sins against the black community will help develop a social conscience that will help us all become more compassionate and less afraid to see and accept each other as equals. The end of racial discrimination is a broad benefit that will cross social boundaries like a tidal wave.

      I find it interesting that you say my tone has implications beyond this article that is “damaging to the entire community, both black and white.” You chose to focus attention on what is said here instead of what is happening in the world. You talk about children being influenced to emulate the gangsta ho lifestyle, but in your previous comment you make mention of the black people who are the movers and shakers in the fashion and music industry. I must admit that I was the one who specifically mentioned hip-hop and the urban influence that has become popular in modern culture. I should have asked what you were referring to. I would like to know what are “THE dominant force and trendsetters in music and fashion, bar none” that you spoke of. If you’re criticizing hip hop’s influence now, what was the fashion and music trends that you were speaking of earlier? Jazz? Rhythym and blues? Reggae? They are hardly at the top of the music industry. So could you name the black people who are in the runnings with people like Donna Karan (DKNY), Vera Wang, Tommy Hilfigger, Abercrombie & Fitch, Louis Vitton, Anna Sui, Coco Channel, Doce & Gabbana, Balenciaga, and the like.

      I think if you really looked at things with a more encompassing view, you’ll see that I’m hardly the problem here. My language might offend delicate ears, but it is hardly holding the black community back. What hold the black community back is people who want to focus on the language used to criticize this fucked up social arrangement we tolerate. We console ourselves by pointing to the handful of black people who have done well financially but are nothing more than figure heads for corporate entities that pull all the strings behind the scenes.

      Russell Simmons might be considered a cutting edge media mogul by many. But if you took an honest look at his dealings you’d see that he is nothing more than somebody else’s marketing tool to give some kind of street credibility to some racially generic corporate entity. In fact, Mr. Simmons has put his name behind the Rush Card, aka the Baby Phat credit card. You don’t need a credit check. It’s pointed directly and squarely at the black community with its little VISA logo and comes straight from Bancorp, the sixth largest bank in America. If we use a gangsta/ho analogy then Bancorp would be the gangsta and Mr. Simmons would be the ho. My apologies if that language offends.

      But people like you will point to me as holding the black community down because I use harsh language to describe all this hypocrisy. You will point to black people at the top of the media and fashion industry as shining examples of what it means to be a benefit to the black community, glossing over their collaboration with corporate America who could not care a rat’s ass about what is good for the black community. In your opinion, my language is the black community’s problem.

      Did I get that straight?

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

  17. Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response. The things you are saying are interesting to me and educational.

    However, you are reading things into my words that were not put there by me.

    I never said you were the problem. I am not attacking you. I am in a dialogue with you and I have told you I agree with many of the things you are saying. I have also told you that in my honest opinion your use of obscenities is unnecessary, offensive and divisive. Such language (in my opinion) only distracts from your greater message of correcting inequities and bringing about peace, education, equality and understanding. That is NOT to say that YOU or your language are the black community’s problem. That is only to say that your message could be heard louder and clearer if you weren’t swearing so much.

    But you are twisting each thing I say into an attack on yourself and the black community.

    Maybe I have made a mistake by speaking up at all, when I should have realized from reading your words that you are so sensitive that any slightest criticism will be perceived by you as a forceful attack.

    I never said your tone is damaging to the entire community. The reference to damage being done to the entire community was about the corporate marketing of violence, promiscuity and mindless self-gratification at the expense of others. It was a response to your own comment about the marketing of hip-hop being done in a way that is degrading to the black community and is being bought up by whites.

    I firmly believe that the coalition of world bankers and corporations are engaged in a planned effort to market such degraded ideals on all media channels in a planned effort to keep rational men like you and me down, ineffective and in conflict with ourselves and each other, an unruly but ineffective “worker bee” class, so that we never will be able to unify effectively to unseat them from their financial Olympus.

    That corporate marketing is exploiting hip-hop artists as much as it is exploiting artists in other genres. You were the one that mentioned that black people are being degraded by such slanted marketing. I merely pointed out that the degradation is affecting more than just black people.

    On the other hand, there are hip-hop artists and songs that are having a positive effect on the people their artwork touches, and world culture has been massively enriched by the dominating influence of music originated by black peoples, in all the genres you have listed out. Even the white bands that I listen to owe most of their musical heritage to black roots, interwoven with various other musical traditions. So, no I am not specifically criticizing hip-hop’s influence.

    Yes, I was saying that I sincerely feel that the language of obscenity has very little to do with bringing about peace.

    But no, I was not saying your language is the black community’s problem.

    I was trying to say that the problems of the black community are also the problems of the larger world community. And the world community has many problems.

    You are reading into my words attacks on the black community that are not there.

    Your description of Mr. Simmons as a tool of the corporate elite is interesting and educational. Thank you.

    Go ahead, keep using obscenities. I cannot really argue any more. Obviously your use of such language engaged me in a conversation. Otherwise I would never have read the things you have had to say in your last few comments, and I would have missed out on that as an educational experience. So maybe such language is serving your cause exactly as it should be doing. Possibly I should be swearing more myself and raising hell a little more to correct the injustices that I observe in the world. Could be.

    Peace.

    Comment by Matthew Veenker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

    • Matthew Veenker,

      Maybe I have judged you harshly. But let’s look at some excerpts from your previous statements…

      “In your opinion, why is that at “a young black princess should be holding out for a young black prince”? Isn’t that a racist statement in itself?”

      You call yourself brother “peacemaker”, but the above article is as full of finger-pointing epithet-slinging discrimination as any other racist diatribe I’ve ever heard. The above article is about name-calling and invalidation of other’s creative work.

      Of course I haven’t read any of your other blog posts, so maybe your other writings contain a kernel of something that would actually bring about peace. This one does not.

      Your writing in this article contains no such understanding or responsibility, only the demonization and vilification of the creative individuals you have elected as your enemies.

      But don’t kid yourself, “This movie is some fucked up racist bullshit aimed squarely at placating the black community like a bitch slap from a pimp placates a whore” are the words of peace. They are words of provocation, scorn and conflict, leveled at cartoonists and animators whom you don’t know and probably will never meet.

      Yes, basically I thought the way your article was worded was offensive in its use of obscenities and name-calling and that your words could be interpreted as racist and discriminatory against non-whites.”

      I will admit that when I wrote the article I was angry and found the movie to be half-assed. It is demeaning that a corporation of Disney’s wealth and talent would make a movie about its very first black princess falling in love with someone other than someone in the black community. In fact, as far as I know, Maldonia doesn’t even exist. It is a fantasy in and of itself. So what was the point of going through all the trouble to create such a fictional character when there is a plethora of black people within the community other than to make the subliminal point that black men are unsuitable? The norm for the black community is that our young black women find suitable relationships with our young black men. That’s the way it goes in most communities. Why should this be outside the orthodox?

      This type of messaging means nothing to you and to others who remain oblivious to the social programming and negative stereotyping against black people that has become part and parcel of our social norm. But to me, it screams the fact that it is impossible to see people in the black community as equals. If we were equals, a film about black people would have a black hero to go with the heroin just like the vast majority of films about white heroins have white heroes. That would be some type of equality.

      But when I say that there is something different here, a black character is being depicted with something other than another black character in the same way a white character is depicted with another white character, I am accused of being the racist. Do you have any idea how frustrating this shit is for me?

      You might think that this type of discrimination effects all communities both black and white and everything in between. But the effects on the other communities is not nearly as damaging as the impact to the black community. High profile black celebrities are either collaborators of this subjugation or they simply ignore it because they have somehow transcended the need to identify with the black community. When was the last time somebody heard Tiger Woods say he was black and identified with the black community? And he’s far from being the only example of black people leaving the black community behind to deal with the constant bombardment of racial discrimination. And then I have to hear about Disney’s first black princess doing the same thing. This constant reinforcement and encouragement for black people to find anything but black is tiresome. What the hell is a Maldonian anyway? Whatever it is, it was portrayed by one of the few, if not the only, character voiced by someone who wasn’t black in the movie.

      Let’s say for the sake of argument that I am wrong for making the suggestion that a black princess has to be with a black prince. Would it then be a reasonable suggestion that Disney was wrong, over and over and over, when it created all those cartoons that depicted the white princess with the white prince? Would that be a logical conclusion? Isn’t that wrong and were they not being racist? Didn’t Mulan, Disney’s firs Asian princess, end up with another Asian? Was that racist? In Aladdin, didn’t Princess Jasmin, the first Middle Eastern princess, wind up with another Middle Easterner? Was that racist? Was it racist when Shrek the ogre ended up with another ogre? But the minute I make the suggestion that the black princess should have had the same depiction, I’m the problem.

      I am sorry if you are offended. But you are the one that came here and made the suggestion that I might be the racist. You were the one that said that I was full of finger pointing and epithet slinging. Where have I said anything about black people in this article? My comments were directed to specific individuals and were not a generalization of any race. But you, like many people who come to this blog, feel that I am the one that is being discriminatory because I see the difference and want to try and point it out to others.

      Yes I feel attacked. And I must admit that at times, I do wear a chip on my shoulder. Trust me, you are not the first one to come here wagging a disapproving finger. I get this judgment from people across the racial spectrum, black, white, and everything in between. People want to act like everything is fine, but that is far from being the case. Black people are at the top of industries “bar none”? Please!

      I have to put up with people saying things like, If you don’t like the cartoon you need to do your own. When did I ever say to you that if you don’t like my article you need to write your own? But you feel that I am the one that’s being harsh!

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

    • Matthew Veenker,

      I must admit that I have enjoyed your time here at my blog. If I offended you then I am truly sorry. But my vernacular is what it is. I don’t always use such language. But I have some awfully strong feelings about the Princess Frog and the implications behind such a film. It is not a condemnation of Disney animators and the like. I enjoy cartoons as much as the next guy. But along with my appreciation for cartoons, I have an appreciation for the black community. You might not understand and that is fine. Most people don’t. And I do welcome people who feel differently.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

  18. Cool, Brother Peacemaker. I’ve enjoyed this conversation and you’ve definitely helped me to expand my view. It’s good to be reminded that I still have a lot to learn.

    I made a mistake in suggesting that you might be a racist yourself, and I apologize for that.

    I can also see that what I labeled finger-pointing and epithet-slinging is just how your focused anger and literary style struck me personally at that moment, and that putting such a label on you doesn’t fit and wasn’t appropriate.

    So, despite those things, I’m glad to hear that you enjoyed my time here at your blog. I’ll probably visit again.

    With respect,
    Matthew

    Comment by Matthew Veenker | Monday, February 7, 2011 | Reply

  19. I’m sorry. I stumbled on this post by accident, and even though it is old, I feel that I must post my opinion. As an intelligent, confident black woman I proudly believe that this film is amazing beyond words.
    Tiana is the one of best princesses Disney has ever made, white or black. She is strong, intelligent, determined, but still kind and caring to those who matter to her. On top of that unlike most of the Disney princesses she is not looking for a man to save her and also unlike the other princess, has a clear idea of what she wants in life and is already half-way there instead of just sitting around dreaming about it.Plus, she’s not complaining about how hard her life is and just gets up everyday and does what she has to do to make her dreams come true. How can you not find a better role model?
    And concerning not having a black prince, the film would have been criticized no matter what. If Tiana found a black prince than people would criticize that black women can only get black man; on the other hand, which is what you believe, is that the film is implying that black women can’t be happy with a black man. Have you noticed that the prince is from a made up foreign country and his race is so ambiguous that you can’t even be sure what his race is anyway? The creators knew this was gonna be a problem and they did their best in a no win situation. However, in my opinion I don’t give a damn about race. I focus on the chemistry of the two characters and how true the love is, which is what should be done in the real world anyway right?
    You mentioned that the prince, Naveen, is naive, lazy and unsuitable hero, which you’re right, that’s how he is in the start of the film, but that’s the whole point. Characters are supposed to have flaws to grow from which makes them far more 3 dimensional and interesting than the perfect, unrealistic, poster board cut out characters which Disney has done to their princes in the past.
    In the film Naveen’s flaws serve to balance out Tiana’s flaws, her flaws being that she has become too focused on reaching her goals that she misses out on the truly important things in life such as love. Naveen never had to work for anything in his life as everything was handed to him, hence why he is naive and lazy, however he admits that he is distressed that he can’t do anything. When he falls in love Tiana he realizes he has to work for heart and even supports her dreams and is willing to sacrifice anything for her. In Tiana’s case, she not only learns to have some fun and enjoy life, she also realizes that her farther, who also wanted a restaurant, was already truly happy because he had the most important things in life which was his family. In the end she never replaces her dreams but says that her dream wouldn’t be complete without Naveen. They achieve a sort of yin and yang relationship each bringing gout their strengths while also covering each other weaknesses.That sort of deep complexity in character, the natural growing relationship, and just overall beautiful romance goes beyond race and I must admit, pisses me off when people simplify it to such a low level concept.
    I admit I don’t know much about voodoo but from what I’ve seen in the both good and bad aspects of voodooism was represented in the film. Facilier, who I believe is a great a villain, used voodoo for dark purposes in order to benefit himself (him being a deep and complex character also) At the same time Mama Oldie also uses voodoo, but in her case for selfless actions. Her constant advice in knowing what you want versus what you actually need shows that she knows both the good and bad aspects of voodoo, and more importantly, is willing to show others the good and bad of it and also the hurdles that we stumble across in life such as greed, love, and accepting yourself for who you are. Again I don’t anything about voodoo, but the film shows all the aspects of the religion not just the scary side as seen by Dr. Facilier.
    I can go and on and on what makes this movie amazing, but I’ll just stop here. It is such a crime that people would disregard the beauty of this film because of overblown racial issues which the creators have tried so damn hard to avoid, but in the end, were inevitable. This film took four years of hard work and you can clearly see that the creators cared so much about the story and it’s characters and in no way was slapped together or shown any disrespect. I even admire this film because it not only had to fight racist opinions of their first black princess, but it also had to fight for the return of 2d animation in a 3d animated dominated venue, and also deal with a crappy release date (it was released a week before Avatar and Alvin in the Chipmunks 2), and in the end it still did very well. This underrated film is amazing and will one day, like lots of other movies, be truly realized for the beautiful work it is.

    Comment by Marie | Friday, March 2, 2012 | Reply

    • Thank you for your feedback Marie,

      “I can go and on and on what makes this movie amazing, but I’ll just stop here. It is such a crime that people would disregard the beauty of this film because of overblown racial issues which the creators have tried so damn hard to avoid…”

      Really? The creators tried hard to avoid controversy? If anything they did everything they could to stir the racial pot by keeping the status quo of racial inequality alive and well. In an attempt to make the movie more palatable to white people they had to down play the emphasis on black people. And that makes them some kind of racial heroes. If this is your bar for someone trying hard to avoid issues of race then you probably have just as low a bar for what makes a movie a beautiful piece of work.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Friday, March 2, 2012 | Reply

      • How did they down play emphasis on black people? And how are they showing racial inequality? A lot of characters in this film are black, they maintained the normal dialect and clothing that would typically be worn back then, but you wouldn’t be satisfied unless all the people in the film were black? That is very unrealistic considering Louisiana is rich mixture of race, culture, and customs. Plus the movie isn’t even about race. Not every movie with a majority black cast has to focus solely on racial customs. This movie was a love story and teaches valuable messages such as fighting for your dreams and valuing family and friendship. However, they didn’t even avoid the fact that there were some problems that black people had to face back then, but it was done in a subtle manner that the movie didn’t turn into civil rights movement and focused on the important concepts of the movie.

        Comment by Marie | Friday, March 2, 2012

      • Actually the movie is very much about being black. I might be mistaken but Tiana, the film’s main character, was billed as Disney’s first black princess. The movie was developed with Tiana, a black woman, developing a relationship with one of the film’s few non-black characters, prince Naveen from Maldonia. Now in the majority of Disney’s princess films, it’s pretty much standard procedure that the love interest of the main character in these works of fiction are matched with another person of the same race. In this film, the creators made the choice to do something different. They made the choice to pair the black princess with a non-black prince causing controversy. They are treating the black princess differently. This is the very definition of racial disparity.

        And for the record, again because this argument has been discussed in great detail already, no one ever said that every character in the film had to be black. That’s a straw argument for people who want to deflect from the real issue of how race has come into play with this film. Why not make the non-black characters supporting roles and depict young black people as in love with each other? It doesn’t happen out of fear that the movie would have been judged by the movie attending and buying public as a film that would be too black for Disney’s racial insensitivity. To make the film more acceptable, especially to the white public, the film was created following the standard Hollywood formula that generally depicts black men as nothing but supporting roles unless it is a role that reinforces a black stereotype. There are a few exceptions to that rule, but Denzel Washington and the few black actors of his ilk can’t appear in every film.

        Now I admit that not every Disney animation film about black people has to have a black princess matched with a black prince. But why does every Disney animation film with a white princess is matched to a white prince without exception? And why is it that there are no Disney animation films that feature a predominantly black cast has the black princess matched with a black prince? The one time Disney takes the opportunity to do a predominantly black film it has to do something that is racially different. That doesn’t register on the conscience of most people because most people have already been indoctrinated into thinking that it’s okay for nothing to be Afro centric while we are regularly exposed to all white or white centric fiction on a regular basis day in and day out without question.

        The movie may have had wonderful aspects associated with it. The movie may have had a message inspiring young people to fight for what they believe in and that is commendable. Personally, I believe in the black community and I try to fight for it to be recognized and treated as an equally to all the other communities. Movies that feature strong loving relationships between black characters aren’t as prolific as they once were. And judging from the reaction of people who want to gloss over the inequality of black community depictions, those days aren’t about to come back anytime soon. And that is truly a shame. But I must say that we could change this condition if so many people weren’t so willing to give this movie a pass.

        Peace

        Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Friday, March 2, 2012

      • If I am correct everyone else had a made a big deal of the princess being black. Don’t get me wrong, Disney was proud that they were able to finally have a black princess and were proud to announce it, but they were more excited that they were returning to 2D animation after it was shut down for a period of time. They were excited that they would have strong princess that unlike other, works towards her goals and is not looking for a prince. The fact that it would Disney’s first American princess as opposed to being a princess in a far away, fictional land. Also Tiana was seen a strong CHARACTER/PERSON, not just a black woman, who is a great a role model with her own flaws who finds true love with another man.

        As I mentioned before, although they did not soley capitalize on her race, they were aware that the decision to pair Tiana with a prince was a no-win situation. What race of prince she ended up with would have had controversy no matter what, which is why they tried to make the prince as ambiguous as possible. You completely glanced over the fact that Tiana’s farther was strong, caring, black men who did everything for his family and died an honorable and medal worthy death in WWI. Even after he died he was constantly referenced on how great he was throughout the film. His role in the movie, although short, was the main drive for Tiana’s character motivation and enhanced the main concept of the whole film. Facilier was a black man and a spectacular villain. Hell, a lot of the people I talk to love to watch the movie just for him, and I agree, he is a brilliant character.

        And in terms of Disney never doing anything racially different what about Pocahontas? Pocahontas was Native American and John Smith was white. Also what about the movies that Disney has done that didn’t involve or barely had a white cast at all? Aladdin, Lilo and Stitch, Mulan, and The Emperors New Groove. I don’t see anybody calling extreme foul play on races for those. Yeah there were people who complained, but it wasn’t a near as big of controversy as this. Disney has explored other races before and now all of the sudden this time its a predominantly black cast, and everyone wants to call them racist. Why not complain that Disney hasn’t done a movie with a Spanish cast or a German cast? Where will it end? You don’t know whether or not Disney won’t ever pair a black female with a black male or a white female with a black male. Didn’t everybody once think that they would never have a black princess?

        Comment by Marie | Friday, March 2, 2012

      • No, you are not correct. I have never seen any advertisement or press release of this film pushing the fact that it was Disney’s big return to 2D animation. In fact, in 2007 Disney released their Princess Collection, a series of animation products geared towards the direct to video market that featured such characters as Aladdin’s Jasmine, Ariel from The Little Mermaid, and Belle from Beauty and the Beast. And it should be noted that these were also strong willed characters that served as role models. Also, it should be noted that prior to this film, Disney’s last feature length animated film was in 2004 when it released Home on the Range. So the idea that it had been so long since Disney did 2D animation is a pretty long reach and doesn’t hold any water. This film was released in 2009.

        And Tiana was hardly the first Disney female character that had to work. I believe the cartoon of Mulan, featuring an Asian that was paired with another Asian, featured a young woman who actually fought in the army for what she believed in. So that’s another argument of yours that really is not correct. And Tiana is not the first Disney princess to be set in a real nearby locale instead of some land far, far away. Pocahontas happened here in the good old USA before it was the USA. This appears to be yet another hole in your arguments.

        And your argument that pairing Tiana with a prince created a no-win situation actually shows your indifference to matters of racial equality. How would putting a black princess with a black prince create a no-win situation? Are you trying to say that it would’ve been unfair or impossible or somehow wrong to make a movie about a black woman being paired with a black man? Really, it is because you cannot imagine such a scenario is even greater proof of the damage being done to the public by the continued lack of strong loving black couples in movies by studios like Disney. The fact that you promote the idea of a black prince and princess being a no-win scenario, after all the films of white princesses being paired with white princes, Asian princess being paired with an Asian prince, all that’s okay. But black people, you just can’t win with that combination. I find your thinking racially disgusting and your argument rather limited and not very well thought out.

        And for the record Pocahontas is the only Disney story rooted in actual history. In that story, it is true that Pocahontas falls for a white man. It would be rather silly for Disney to change the story now. We are talking about works of fiction where the reality of history isn’t a limiting factor. Lilo and Stitch wasn’t a romance with two characters ending up in a loving relationship. If you don’t see anybody complaining about race in those movies it’s probably because they don’t apply to the argument. The Princess Frog fits a particular genre that does not apply to every cartoon that was ever made by Disney.

        Why doesn’t Disney make a German or Spanish film? I really don’t think German or Spanish is a race. German, Spanish, French, Russian, they are all cultures. They are all Caucasians who are white people and white people are a race. And it’s already been done. It should be noted that Snow White is a Brothers Grimm fairy tale rooted in German culture? The name Cinderella is French and the story is rooted in Greek culture. Beauty and the Beast was set in a French villa. The Little Mermaid is rooted in a Denmark fairy tale. And in all of those films have been done by Disney and that company has always saw fit to make sure the white young woman is paired with a white young man and not some guy from Maldonia. And if you really insist on hearing a Disney film rooted in Spanish culture there is Saludos Amigos followed closely by The Three Caballeros, a couple of 1940s Walt Disney film with a Spanish theme, but without a princess. This is just another hole in your ragged tapestry of points.

        Where will it end? It will end when the black community is given the same consideration as every other community. It will end when people stop making excuses for racial disparity and instead actually fight for racial parity. Black people are still waiting. And no offense but if black people had to rely on people like you, it looks like they will always be waiting.

        Now, I don’t want to be rude, but I see no point in continuing this discussion. Originally, after having been discussed ad nauseum so long ago, I thought your new comments to this discussion would add a perspective that had not been examined before. But unfortunately, it looks like your comments are nothing but a rehash of points that were refuted some time ago. Unless you have a truly new perspective to share, I would like to close this discussion. I really don’t see the value in spending time discussing these old points with someone else who is content with the racial status quo.

        Peace

        Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Friday, March 2, 2012

  20. Think about it people, its the jews who have done this. Where there’s money there’s a jew (just look at Hollywood!!)
    Who’s to blame ? THE JEWS

    Comment by passing by | Tuesday, April 3, 2012 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback passing by,

      I don’t know if it’s the Jews or not and I’d prefer not to endorse any prejudice that blames them without facts to support it. But what I can tell you is that the shit needs to stop.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Tuesday, April 3, 2012 | Reply

  21. I get some of your points but why does this movie have to be a black and white thing.Why is it wrong for a black girl to fall in love with a white or indian or hispanic or ect, and a black man to fall in love with a white, indian, hispanic or ect. I find your comment of “black people abandoning their black comunity to marry white people” racist. When people fall in love, I believe they fall in love with a person, with a human being, no with someone’s skin color. Yes I agree some things could have been better portrait in the movie but gosh you are being as racist and as judgemental as the people you are calling racist and judgemental. I am Afro Dominican and my husband is Dominican but a little more on the white side, my mom is white and my dad is black, my grandmother is white and my grandfat is black, my little brother is black, one of my little sister is white and blonde with long curly hair, and my other little sister is a little more tan with curly dark brown hair a little kinkier all from the same mom and dad. What I am trying to say with that is that my family as diverse as it is has beauty and uniqueness as does the entire word. I think that if we focus on being HUMANS and not on the color of our skin the word would be a much better place .No matter your faith, we are all equal in the eyes of our creator. why can’t we see that?

    Comment by Keribel | Saturday, October 6, 2012 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback Keribel,

      There is nothing wrong with a black girl falling in love with someone other than black. But what’s the problem with a black girl falling in love with someone who is black the way someone who is white falls in love with someone who is white? Why is the relationship that the vast majority of black girls find themselves in being put on the back burner for something the minority of black girls find themselves in? If the vast majority of black people develop relationships with black people, the way the vast majority of white people develop a relationship with white people, why is Disney going out of its way to promote the minority instead of the majority with its first film directed at black people? This is the problem that is being overlooked by many people. If there were Disney films promoting the majority of black relationships and this movie was to come out then there wouldn’t be a problem. But this film, on its own, is problematic. How long will the black community have to wait to see something that actually resembles the majority of people in the black community the way the majority of Disney films directed to the white community actually resemble the white community?

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Sunday, October 7, 2012 | Reply

      • “what’s the problem with a black girl falling in love with someone who is black the way someone who is white falls in love with someone who is white?”

        Where I don’t quite understand your analysis, brotherpeacemaker, is that most of the time in Hollywood, a black girl *does* fall in love with someone who is black. In fact, it’s practically an ironclad rule that white people fall in love with white people, and black people with black (or at least non-white) people, and when that rule is violated, it’s usually a major plot point. In reality, though, 15% of all marriages taking place in this country are now interracial, and that figure is rising rapidly; two-thirds of 18- to 29-year-olds have dated outside their own race.

        In that case, why shouldn’t Disney be inclusive in its portrayal of relationships, rather than catering to the majority? I appreciate that it may be Disney’s first animated film with a black lead character, which is certainly important, but it’s also the latest in a long, long line of movies out of Hollywood, and they almost always do what you’re wishing this particular movie had done.

        Comment by James | Monday, October 8, 2012

      • James,

        You’ve got to be kidding! Why shouldn’t Disney be inclusive? You really think Disney, a corporation that does nothing but build mass appeal for its products to as large a market as possible now wants to focus on the 15% of the black community which is in itself only 12% of the larger community? I believe that would make their target market 1.8% of the community. Is that what you’re trying to say? Of course that’s got to be it. Disney is now trying to become so inclusive of outliers that it’s going to skip over any attempt to include the 85% of the black community and focus only on the 15%. That’s so clever it sounds stupid.

        Like most American corporations these days, Disney has a single minded focus on making money and building market share. Disney has saturated the racially generic American market that is represented overwhelmingly by the white community. To increase profitability they have to tap into markets that they have previously overlooked. And they could start at the bottom by looking at those 1.8% target markets. A wiser move would be to try and tap into the a larger sub-market share, like the 12% black community that has been overlooked for so long.

        Peace

        Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Thursday, October 11, 2012

  22. You’re doing such a common thing; judging the movie by the black people in it. It’s like hailing something as brilliant because it features gay people or something (Eurovision Finland, looking at you here.)
    Seriously, though. The movie, cheesy as it sounds, taught morals about working for what you want and loving people regardless of who they are. It wasn’t made for the characters in it! Besides, Tiana is a brilliant character from a realistic background with down-to-earth dreams. Stop complaining about everything and judging it by the people in it! Look at the plot, maybe.

    It wasn’t made for the sake of putting poc in it.

    Comment by Charlie | Saturday, April 12, 2014 | Reply

    • Thanks for the feedback Charlie,

      But you are such a hypocrite! You do the same thing a lot of people do to protect and defend the status quo. You feel that since the movie has down to earth morals it’s okay that it is founded on a racially androgynous theme that has black people looking and finding love with people who just happen to be anything but black. I don’t give a shit if its morals rank right up there with the holiest of holy books. The foundation it’s rooted on is embedded on black disunity. Why don’t you stop complaining about complaints about shit you don’t even care about. If the movie wasn’t made for black people then it should have never been billed as Disney’s first black princess. The movie was in fact aimed directly at people of color. Anybody who says differently is obviously working hard to fool their own self.

      Peace

      Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Tuesday, June 17, 2014 | Reply

  23. from the interior of Africa we have our own Princess Yapatula who from Maravi kingdom in southern Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Disney should take our princess on board, tell them.

    Comment by Bertha | Monday, June 9, 2014 | Reply


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