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A Conservative View Of Black History

America is a sentimental country always ready to embrace its past. As a nation, we have memorials to just about everything and everyone under the sun. Our public memorials run the gamut ranging from the simple white cross seen on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere as one drives down the highway, no doubt a makeshift memorial to someone who must died in a local traffic accident, to the elaborate marble cathedrals dedicated to fallen Presidents in the nation’s capital. And there is plenty that fall in between these two extremes. Not too long ago I heard someone promoting the dedication of a memorial to the spouses of veterans. Our memorials run the spectrum indeed.

America is a nation that embraces its history. Every year cities within the nation compete to host the largest and most festive Independence Day celebration. The rhetoric is that an American just isn’t an American if he or she doesn’t don their red white and blue uniform and fervently wave the stars and stripes on this illustrious holiday. We are proud of the fact that our forefathers had the gumption to stand up to the British monarchy. We love our Memorial Day and our Labor Day. We celebrate holidays based on religious history. The so called birth and death of Jesus are two of the most popular holidays known to traditional America. The idea of having Jesus’ birthday competing with other religions trying to get a little recognition for what they feel is important is a bit too sacrilegious for many vocal Americans. We love to celebrate our history.

We love our past and we love our monuments to days gone by. The Golden Gate and the Brooklyn bridges are held in high regard despite the fact that their engineering achievements have been eclipsed decades ago. Buildings from a long bygone era are protected as museums of architecture and enjoy must be preserved at all cost status. We collectively mourn the death of actors and celebrities that have not made a public appearance in decades. Antiques from the past in pristine condition enjoy value that dwarfs the national treasure of some countries. Some antique cars can be sold for tens of millions of dollars. It would not be surprising to see an antique tin can with its label intact fetching a sum north of a million dollars. And it would not be surprising to learn that the product originally sold by the case for just a penny. Our history, and the symbols of our history, are precious to us.

But, one area of America’s past that is avoided like the plague is America’s relationship with its black community. Any time any body brings up a reference to slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, or affirmative action, the wayward armchair historian is attacked as if he or she is a history terrorist. Some people will go so far as to say that these eras of institutionalized racial discrimination are simply too painful and too divisive a time in our history to bear scrutiny. Any one who insists on trying to learn something from these periods of history are simply trying to exert some kind of leverage against the dominant community for the sins of their ancestors and elders. Arguably, any weight the study of the history of racial disparity may have on the collective white community is trivial at best, but more than likely it is nonexistent.

Interestingly, a number of Americans from the racially generic dominant class that just so happens to be predominantly white, refer to any attention devoted to the study of America’s sordid past of institutionalized slavery or any instance where the norm consisted of the black community being abused and/or neglected, as a desperate effort to cling to a victim mentality and blame everyone for the black community’s failures but the black community. The idea that those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it is thrown out the window like the proverbial baby and bathwater. And, low and behold, America is repeating its past as if by script.

At the dawn of the twentieth century, while the dominant community was doing its thing to deny black people the right to be human, the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to own property, the right to dignity, and the right to just about everything else, some black people were painting the majority of the black community as waiting for handouts and for outside assistance, the type of assistance that was considered an entitlement by members of the dominant community. Black people needed to stop playing the victim and get an education. But for some reason, it was okay that black people were not entitled to the same tools to obtain an education that was regularly offered to the dominant community. Black people wanted jobs. But somehow, black people were not entitled to the same jobs offered to non blacks but to the more menial jobs that paid poorly and few people wanted.

Booker T. Washington was most apologetic to the dominant community. At the beginning of the twentieth century Mr. Washington was quick to suggest that the black community could best defend itself from the racism of white America when we quit expecting anything from the white community. The white community is more than welcome to black labor but didn’t have to fully compensate our ancestor’s for it. And interestingly enough, Mr. Washington was heralded as the respectable leader of the black community by the dominant community. The black community must adapt itself in order to become a respectable component of the dominant community. The black community must contort itself into a social reform that more closely emulates behavior that the dominant society will find respectable and tolerant worthy.

The same holds true today. The vast numbers of respectable black people regularly promoted on television are the type of people who will be quick to tell people in the black community to exercise some kind of personal responsibility. We are regularly told to quit being lazy and give up the victim mentality. If somebody doesn’t want to hire us then we need to find someone else who will. If somebody doesn’t want to educate us we simply need to find somebody else who will. And while we play a game akin to looking for an opportunity in a haystack most white Americans will find their opportunities without the impediments that hinder black people. But ask the people in the dominant community and the problem isn’t the insidious social racism that limits opportunities for black people. The problem is that black people don’t do what is necessary to step up to the plate and find their opportunities despite the fact that white people are afraid or simply refuse to engage us.

Yes, it is very true that black people need to step up to the plate. We cannot wait for a handout from the dominant controllers or from our black brothers and sisters who have done well. Black people have no choice but to look high and low, far and wide, in and out, up and down for our opportunities. The hurdles against us require us to jump through hoops of fire in order to find what others simply walk up to or just wake up and find in their lap. Unfortunately, when blacks do find the opportunities that allows them to succeed and prosper, instead of doing everything we can to help make things a little easier for the next black person, we are more likely to hold back with the standard rhetoric of work hard and you too can make it.

Some black conservatives who have achieved their success with the help of programs along the lines of affirmative action want to turn around and dismantle these programs to prevent other blacks from taking advantage of them. Some say that affirmative action prevents black people from achieving their best and gives black people the impression that they cannot compete with other races. Again, the problem isn’t the racial discrimination that excludes black people from taking advantage of certain opportunities. The problem is the black people who expect an equal and fair shot at opportunities. These people actually promote the idea that the institution that doesn’t freely give opportunities to the black community isn’t the problem, the institution that assures a racially diverse population of people taking advantage of their opportunities they offer is the problem facing society. The last thing we need is someone trying to do something for the black community. Discrimination isn’t the problem. Reverse discrimination is the real problem.

Black people need to learn to expect nothing from the dominant community. Nobody owes us a handout. And to that tidbit of information we can add the fact that nobody owes us a fair shot at anything. And if that isn’t enough, it appears that some successful black people are intent on making it their responsibility to make sure that the black community doesn’t forget that the black culture that is our birthright is best left behind and forgotten in order to help the dominant community to perpetuate the coincidence of racial disparity that always find the black community at the shitty end of the measuring stick. If our so called black role models have their way black history will be forgotten and we will repeat the past as if by script.

Monday, May 12, 2008 - Posted by | African Americans, Black Community, Black Culture, Black People, Life, Thoughts

17 Comments »

  1. BrotherP,

    This is so true. It never fails that people NEVER want to hear about slavery or any other type of denigration of black people but will talk endlessly about the holocaust. I find it disgusting that they will tell you that to speak of racial disparity is having a victim mentality but then turn right around and talk about how blacks are playing this or that race card. Or crying about black on white racism or just reverse discrimination.

    We have a channel dedicated to history, and yet no one ever wants to hear about black history or racism and slavery. It is just more of the hypocritical nature of this nation. “Don’t tell me anything that might force me to realize the disparity of this country.”

    Thanks for a great post.

    Comment by theblacksentinel | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  2. Thanks for the feedback theblacksentinel,

    It never fails that while the white history and white holocaust is examined in great detail and remembered lest we forget, black history is not to be examined beyond the superficial. And most white people will complain that even the most cursory examination is too much. The only symbol of America’s institutionalized slavery that will continue to embrace is the Confederate flag. And white people like Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson will defend people’s right to display this most divisive symbol of the American people. But the thought of people having a true understanding of slavery and racism is just too much. And this type of thinking is okay with a lot of black people who have made it from a financial perspective.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  3. I was having a conversation with a high ranking guy at my job. He asked me what has the government done for me. I told him they passed civil right legislation. We were talking about capitalism and the “free market” and how much influence the government should have on the the economy.
    When I said that, just as a point that the government has a duty to serve the people and to protect them, ya’ll should have seen the look on his face!

    Comment by Damien | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  4. Thanks for the feedback Damien,

    I think we’ve all seen that look or something quite similar. Black people who expect services from their government, the same government that does its best to provide for other communities, are waiting for a handout. It’s a look of anger, disgust, pity, and/or superiority. It’s a look that you need to pick yourself up by your boot strap and quit expecting the government to give you what it regularly gives to others. I do believe I know that look.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  5. True indeed and I may only get worse after November. I was telling a friend the other day that I bet if Obama gets elected that a lot of white folks will be making even more racially insensitive comments. They will probably say stuff like “blacks can stop complaining about discrimination now” or they may claim that affirmative action isn’t needed any more or make jokes about no longer having the “White House.” Hopefully they won’t turn a step forward into a step backward.

    Comment by 27thfloor | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  6. Thanks for the feedback 27thfloor,

    It’s going to get very, very rough! I actually expect it to start turning sour when Barack Obama wins the nomination. It will start with the snide comments white people like to make like the fact that hard working Americans equate to white Americans. It will get very bad! If you thought it was bad when Mr. Obama made comments about Americans being bitter or how the typical white person harbors racist feelings, or when Michelle Obama says that she can finally take pride in her country as an adult, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reply

  7. I think that the biggest problem for Black folks in America would arise if Obama wins the nomination AND the White House.

    For look at what he is — a fraud. He may be a 1/2 Black fraud, but he’s still a fraud. He has no soul, no integrity, no character, no spine. He is a willing puppet for whomever can get him into high office. He just wants the high office position. He’s an egomaniac.

    And that is who will set the “standard” by which all national-level Black politicians will be judged.

    A fraud.

    So after such election it will be easy for any bigoted person to equate in this manner:

    Obama = fraud

    and

    Obama = Black

    so therefore

    Black = fraud

    And if anyone thinks that such is a good development for the rights and interests of Black folks in America — well, if you do think that, I’d like to have a little sit-down with you. Because I think you’re missing a few key points!

    Great stuff, brotherpeacemaker.

    Comment by Micah Pyre | Tuesday, May 13, 2008 | Reply

  8. Thanks for the feedback Micah Pyre,

    But there is a serious disconnect between the average black person and high profile black celebrities or politicians. White people have seen black people that they’ve admired for years. Sidney Portier, Bill Cosby, Cicely Tyson, Thurgood Marshall, Eddie Murphy, and etcetera. But people do not equate the behavior of high profile black people to the average black person. It wouldn’t matter if Barack Obama was the best thing to happen to this country in its entire history. Black people would still be equated to fraud and everything negative with human nature. The dominant community is intent to keeping this fraud going.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Wednesday, May 14, 2008 | Reply

  9. Brotherpeacmaker

    Is not the racial climate in this country improving? The lynchings are gone for the most part. The African Americans of today have it easyer than ever before from violent White Racism. Yes we are a long way from being equal but progress is being made. An Obbamma presidency is much better than a Clinton or Old man Mccaine presidency for African Americans. I hate it when anyone says that things have not changed. They are either getting worse for African Americans in this country and the world or things are improving. In America you cannot say that White racism is having a larger effect. White racist are now in horror at the progress of African Americans. Imigration from Africa, The Caribbian, and South America to the U.S. and europe is causing a slow revolution. More black millionares are made every year. Soon Black several billionares will be influencing world policy. If Obamma wins the presidency you cannot say this amounts to nothing good for African Americans. Obamma might not be perfect but of the three who would you choose? Blacks with increacing political power= an increace in African American power and a decreace of White power. Even if Obamma looses he has already astounded and inspired millions of White and Black people to vote for him. This has got to reduce rasism a bit when a White person makes the concious decision to vote for a Black man as his leader. Interracial power is increacing.

    Comment by interracial power | Friday, May 16, 2008 | Reply

  10. Thanks for the feedback interracial power,

    But what makes you think the lynchings have stopped? Martin Lee Anderson was killed in a Florida boot camp by seven guards and were acquitted of anything wrong. Sean Bell was shot more than fifty times. One of the cops emptied his gun, reloaded, and continued to fire at him. His crime was not being able to recognize an undercover cop. If it was so easy to recognize cops operating incognito what would be the point of going undercover. John White is indited for trying to protect his home from drunk white kids while the passes on a trial for Joe Horn who killed two black men in the back for burglarizing a neighbor’s house. Genarlow Wilson is arrested and tried for having sex with a fifteen year old girl two years his junior while in Texas fifty plus year old white men are getting fifteen year old girls pregnant on a regular basis. African Americans may have it easier. This does not mean that African Americans have equality. Racial disparity is just as prevalent now as it has ever been. It is true that black people are not being bought and sold. That’s an improvement. But why is the black community so underrepresented in corporate America and so well represented in America’s prison systems? Black people stranded in New Orleans after Katrina have to wait four days before our government can do anything to help. But we can be front and center offering aid to the people of Myranmar half a globe away.

    A little lie is still an untruth. Racial disparity is still inequality. People like to say that we have it better than people in the Caribbean and in Africa. But we are not in the Caribbean or Africa. The African American community is in America. We want to say we have it better than people in another country so it is okay that we don’t have the equality of people who live right in our neighborhoods.

    What black billionaire is a proponent of the black community? Bill Cosby, who stands in front of white people and ridicules poor blacks for being poor? Give me a break. Oprah Winfrey, who brags about her ability to have an overwhelmingly white working staff? Tiger Woods, who swears up and down that he isn’t black but some rainbow coalition wrapped in a single package with his black ethnicity down played at each and every opportunity? How are these black people influencing the world in a positive way for black people? We have had a black man on the Supreme Court who is one of the most despicable opponents of the black community. We have had black politicians in every level of American government with the exception of the presidency and nothing has changed. How are these handful of black politicians influencing the majority of white politicians? Maybe I have missed something. If anything the vast majority of white politicians and business people have convinced the black politicians and business people that nothing is wrong and it is business as usual. Kind of like the way you think.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Friday, May 16, 2008 | Reply

  11. Brotherpeacemaker thankyou again
    I hate inequality and it hurts when you imply otherwise. You agreed with me that African Americans have life less difficult than African Americans of previous gennerations. You pointed out the terible inequalities in justice and business. I agree with much of what you said. It is easyest to be white. I support Affirmitive Action because it promotes intergration. However you said some extreem statments like nothing has changed for the better in the equality department with the increace of African American politicians and wealthy Blacks. You belittled their positive influence as having almost no effect on White politicians. Look at how many White elected officials are supporting Obamma over Hillary that is one change. You seem to underestimate the positive power of tricklel down economics and Nepotism. When African Americans get money and power it first usually helps their immidiate families and then their cousins and next their churches and close friends. Oprah gave a million dollars to one of her best friends and she has built an Orphanage for black children in Africa to train tommorrows black leadership in South Africa. Oprah has helped to cause the Obamma phenomenon. Republicans are trying to get as many blacs in their party making more rich and powerful black Republican famlies in the process. These Black families are all winners and it has a positive effect on All black people in the same way that when one African American becomes impoverished it has a negative effect on All Black people. Jeremiah Wright has been helped by the publicity of Obamma and his books are seeling more making his family richer in the process. Arguing for a zero positive effect from rich and powerful African Americans is an overstatment. The positive ripple effect is what these Blacks are, they are stepping stones.

    Increaced connservitive and Liberal African Americans with money and power help us all in the same way that all self destructive African Americans hurt all Black people in the fight against inequality. Soon the republican party will need to have vast amounts of minority candidates to remain a viable party. This is good for African american Families to have both parties vieing to give powerful jobs on both sides of the political spectrum.

    You are correct that we have a long way to go. The average white houshold net worth was 20 times that of African Amerians income in the 1980s. Today White houshold net worth are 6 times the average income of African American Families. The disparity is appalling and the result of the legacy of leagalized Racism however the progress is incredible. We are advancing right direction so rejoice.

    Would you rather that a magic wand were waved and Colin Powel, Congalizza Rice, Clarence Thomas,Tiger woods, Ophrah, and Bill Cosby never existed or became poor? This would mean less opportunities for Blacks to marry into wealth or obtain wealth and power through inside connections. Snobby, uppity, Blacks help African Americans more than Snobby uppity Whites. Give me Allan Keys anyday over Newt Gingrich. Which of those two will do more to help Black people. I am sure that even Mr. Allan Keys helps his Black family. Rich and famous African Americans are better than Rich and famous White people for the improvment of the conditions of African Americans. They smash open glass cielings.

    Some marry into rich White families but Their children marry other Black people most of the time. Many African Americans are inheriting White money from more wealthy White families. This is another reason why I support interracial adoption and interracial marriage. I would love for my children to marry into wealth Black or White. This would benifit me and my grandchildren. Wealthy African Americans usually give some money to their extended families and friends many of whom are Black. They give money to charities. They create An African American upperclass.

    Black political, economic progress helps in the fight for equality but it is a trickle down process at least. From rich black families might come A revolutionary figure or figures but by themselves Rich and Powerful African Americans are revolutionary in this Country once dominated by Apartided style racism and slavery. African Americans must first lift themselves up, their families and then their closest friends and worthy charities in that order. Not starting close to home ends up with casting alot of pearls for little effect. Family intergration makes less White people and thus less white power over time. The power of the taliented 10th and all non self destructive African Americans will crush inequality over a long period of time. These two forces Family intergration and Talent are the rising tide which will lift all African American Boats. They either hurt or help us but rich and powerful Blacks cannot have a zero effect aganst racial inequalities. I celebrate them while hating all inequality.

    InterracialPower

    Comment by interracialpower | Sunday, May 18, 2008 | Reply

  12. Interracialpower,

    Are you telling me that self destructive blacks hurt ALL blacks? How come it doesn’t stand that self destructive whites hurt ALL white people? Yet they don’t do they? So how does a rich black republican help the poor blacks? They are NOT giving back to the community. You are self delusional.

    I would like a magic wand to waive over those people and have them become black conscious. Their wealth does not somehow rub off on me or any other black person in America or anywhere else. And you can keep Alan Keyes AND Newt Gingrich because they work for a common goal the continued racial dominance of the white community. Just because Alan Keyes is black in no way means that this man has the black communities advancement at heart.

    As far as all this marrying that you are talking about, please. If a rich black person marries a white person he is now putting that money BACK into the white community. He does NOT live in the black community, spend his money there nor spend on relatives living there. So how exactly is that money helping other blacks. Tiger Woods as an example does absolutely NOTHING for blacks nor his black family members. Like he said he is supporting his wife’s family and helping them to advance businesses etc. Dumb ass O.J. Simpson did the same.

    And why is it that blacks are always saying that our equality will come with time? Well guess what our enslavement and our subjugation didn’t come over time, it came ALL AT ONCE. Why can’t the subjugation be stopped NOW? Why can’t we have our freedom NOW? What is the reason for doing it over time, is it so that white people will be able to accept it better? I don’t think they thought about our acceptance while discriminating and racially subjugating us.

    You need to realize that what you are talking is fantasy island stuff. Take a listen to what the people voting in West Virginia have to say. They don’t sound much like they are going to be engaging in any interracial love anytime soon. So unfortunately that will be one place that won’t be turning “brown”.

    Thanks

    Comment by theblacksentinel | Sunday, May 18, 2008 | Reply

  13. Thanks for the feedback interracialpower,

    If I have insulted you then I must apologize. It is not my intention to belittle my guest to my blog. Obviously, you care somewhat about the black community. That’s a lot more than what can be said about a lot of people, black and white. But your opinion and theories on the future of the black community and its relationship with the dominant community are based on fairy tales of human behavior that just does not apply to the black community.

    Black people who have done well are not the saviors of the black community. If Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Tiger Woods, and etcetera were to go broke today it wouldn’t have any effect on my personal life. If every rich black person was to lose their money it would have no affect on the black community what so ever. If Oprah Winfrey’s business went bankrupt based on her penchant to hire white people, it would impact far more white people and their families than black people and black families. Ms. Winfrey doesn’t support her family. She cut her family out of her life once she made it big. Montel Williams, Tiger Woods, James Earl Jones, O.J. Simpson, Sidney Poitier, Richard Pryor, Clarence Thomas, Venus Williams and others took their fortune and married or white people. How did their money help the black community? It didn’t. They took the vast majority of their resources to help white people.

    High profile blacks who make it a personal priority to help the black community obtain equality in America are not a common phenomenon. They are rare. High profile black people who have children with white people have children who levitate towards the dominant community. Nicole Richie just loves to hang out with black people. Sherri Belafonte loves to hang with people in the black community as well. And Tiger Woods is bending over backwards trying to promote himself as a champion of the black community and issues of racial equality. Mr. Wood’s fortune went to a white woman and his children will grow up so removed from their black identity and their black ancestry that they too will grow up and identify with the white community in ways that their father could only dream of. Where do you come up with the notion that these people are gravitating towards helping their black brothers and sisters?

    You wrote, ”Give me Allan Keys any day over Newt Gingrich. Which of those two will do more to help Black people. I am sure that even Mr. Allan Keys helps his Black family. Rich and famous African Americans are better than Rich and famous White people for the improvment of the conditions of African Americans. They smash open glass cielings.” When it comes to their impact on the black community there is absolutely no difference between Mr. Keyes and Mr. Gangrich. As far as the black community is concerned, they are one and the same. Mr. Keyes would do no more, no less for the black community. As far as I’m concerned, you can have both.

    High profile black people do not identify with the normal black people. High profile interracial people are even less inclined to help the black community. High profile white people are even less likely. This is not to say that it doesn’t happen. Bill Gates has given a lot of money and equipment to the black community in Seattle. A black person probably managed to slip through Ms. Winfrey’s employment requirements with their racial identity intact. But the idea that this is the norm or that these people will do whatever they can for the rest of the black community is not the way reality happens.

    Rich black people don’t automatically make things easier for other black people. Bill Cosby standing in front of white people telling them that the white community has already done enough and ridiculing other black people does nothing for me. In fact, it makes it more difficult to convince people of the racism that continues to impact the black community. These people are not stepping stones. These people are rocks that are being used to stone other black people. These people do not make my life any easier. They cause more damage than good. While they may help their family members they distort reality for people such as you who think they have so much love and interest in developing racial equality. Where were these black people when the Jena Six were being prosecuted for second degree murder? Where were these black people when Katrina impacted so many black people in Louisiana? Where were these black people when Martin Anderson was killed in Florida or Sean Bell was gunned down in New York?

    If you wish to continue to believe things are so much better you are more than welcome to say so. If you want to quote statistics that say the average white household net worth was twenty times that of African American’s income in the 1980s and is now only six times the average income is a sign of improvement, then go ahead. I would like to know where you get these numbers from because I find them pretty difficult to believe. Regardless of the numbers, the racial disparity that continues to permeate every facet of life in America is truly despicable. I refuse to rejoice because disparity is getting better. I will save my celebration for when the job is truly done.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Sunday, May 18, 2008 | Reply

  14. Thanx both Brother Peacemaker and The Black Sentinel,

    You answered everything perfectly.

    I have always said that black celebrities and notables have deluded our country into believing that their is racial equality. Ridiculous! They are more harmful than helpful!

    Interracial Power, you comments are probably true in LaLa Land but not in America.

    The craziest of what you said was this,

    “Would you rather that a magic wand were waved and Colin Powel, Congalizza Rice, Clarence Thomas,Tiger woods, Ophrah, and Bill Cosby never existed or became poor? This would mean less opportunities for Blacks to marry into wealth or obtain wealth and power through inside connections. Snobby, uppity, Blacks help African Americans more than Snobby uppity Whites.”

    Nonsense!! Are you that removed from reality?

    Comment by RhondaCoca | Tuesday, May 20, 2008 | Reply

  15. Thanks for the feedback RhondaCoca,

    Generally speaking the behavior of high profile blacks is truly disgusting. These people realize that the majority of their wealth comes from the dominant community and they do not want to do anything to jeopardize their benefactors.

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Tuesday, May 20, 2008 | Reply

  16. The celebration of a country is to acknowledge the accomplishment and taboos of a nation. Until the taboos and illicit, covert truths are not only spoken about but placed publicly and privately then the celebration is all pomp and circumstance. Black folk or African American whatever the title of the deacade may be must educate and celebrate the oneness of family first and air out all of the dirty laundry. It is time for Spring Cleaning.

    Comment by EshuBi | Monday, May 26, 2008 | Reply

  17. Thanks for the feedback EshuBi,

    Peace

    Comment by brotherpeacemaker | Monday, May 26, 2008 | Reply


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