“Slavery, Jim Crow, White supremacists, are almost universally hated by white people, and described as one of the bleakest and most embarrassing times in our country’s history. We don’t need to discuss them in the context of admitting they were right or wrong anymore.
I don’t owe anyone an apology for them. Am I sorry they happened? Absolutely. But an apology is an admission of personal fault. My skin color doesn’t link me to an 1800’s slaver anymore than yours links you to people in Africa trading away other captured peoples for guns or gold. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds?
Thanks for clarifying Holder’s position. There are whites that need to admit to their racism, and there are blacks that need to admit to white people’s racism. Please excuse me as a wipe the bias flowing out of my computer screen. Cosby talked one side of the problem, one the black community can help themselves with the most.
I live in Atlanta, a city run by a black Mayer, a black police chief, a majority black police department, a black majority period. There are only five members on the city council out of sixteen that are white, and the president of the council is black. Almost half of Fulton County’s superior court justices are black. Tell me, who is the “dominant community” where I live? In the most important financial, law making, and collegiate area of the entire state?
I’m not suggesting black people have been in the position to be as racially cruel as white people. But if we’re talking about racist feelings or tendencies, you’ve really deluded yourself if you think black people have nothing to answer for. Hell my dad is a firefighter inside the perimeter. Do you know how many lawsuits there are over the hiring and promoting in the fire departments surrounding Atlanta?
Maybe it’s because of the area of live in, but there are more race related speakers, seminars, clubs, protests, and just awareness to race in politics and the news than ANY other subject. And I find we are complete opposites in our assessment of the black voice.” – Sean
“Slavery, Jim Crow, White supremacists, are almost universally hated by white people, and described as one of the bleakest and most embarrassing times in our country’s history. We don’t need to discuss them in the context of admitting they were right or wrong anymore.”
That’s good to hear. But when are we as a country are going to correct the damage that these institutionalized macro scaled versions of racial disparity caused to the black community? Slavery ended and black people were told that they were free. Okay. But how were black people supposed to go into the future as free men and women without the resources necessary to be free men and women? Which led to the racial disparity of Jim Crow. Jim Crow ended. But after so many generations of people living with Jim Crow and its brand of racial disparity laws were passed to make the practice illegal. Okay. But how were black people supposed to compete in an environment where white people felt like they were losing their privilege? Which led to the racial disparity of separate but far from equal. And so on and so on.
Every step of the fight for equality for black people, white people fought hard to keep equality a distant goal. These institutions created the environment of disparity that we have today. The nation as a whole has never addressed this disparity and never will. White people continue to benefit from these conditions. But try and say that we need to do something to correct this imbalance and many white people say “I don’t owe anyone an apology”.
Nobody asked you for an apology. I could care less how you feel. To me, you are no different than the Pat Buchanan’s of the world. Your apology doesn’t mean a thing. You are not that important. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Hey everybody Sean apologized! Racism is over now. You really do have an overinflated ego there. But what is important is for America to address the problems of racial disparity that America has tolerated for so long and continues to tolerate to this day. Too many white people think that the only thing necessary to create an equal environment is that the blatant racial discrimination stops. How do we correct the disparity that the blatant discrimination created and its subtle counterpart continues to create? Hey, back off! I’m not apologizing!
“I’m not suggesting black people have been in the position to be as racially cruel as white people. But if we’re talking about racist feelings or tendencies, you’ve really deluded yourself if you think black people have nothing to answer for.”
I am so sorry that there are bad black people out there who have hurt your feelings. Indeed, there are jerks on both side of the racial line. But guess what? There are black people who hurt my feelings as well. Maybe we can address the affects of mean black people and what led to the fact that so many black people don’t care for white people. Lord knows they think they have plenty of reasons to justify how they feel.
But I’m not referring to the damage of simply hurting white people’s feelings. If we were only talking about black people’s hurt feelings I’d have to say too bad so sad. When I talk about the discussion of racism I’m talking about the general economic, social, political, educational, legal, and other instances of racial disparity that have the majority of the black people on the downside. I have a black Mayor and a black policeman! Well good for you! And? What does that do for the rest of the black community? When did these black leaders use their position of authority to ruin the lives of white people? A lot of white people love to point to a few black well to do people as if that alone justifies our tolerance for racial disparity.
But people never want to point in the other direction as examples of how far we have to go. Where were all these black leaders when Genarlow Wilson was being railroaded into a ten year prison sentence for having sex with a girl two years his junior? He had good grades. He played football. He kept his nose clean. He was never in trouble before. His horrible crime of being a teenager having sex meant that he had to be labeled a sexual predator and needed some prison time. I bet a lot of people felt less safe when he was released after serving two years of his sentence. Lord knows teenagers having sex is just such an unnatural, criminal act. May god have mercy on his soul.
And yes it is true that Bill Cosby and Alvin Puissaint talk about black people helping themselves by protecting themselves and making sure black people adhere to acceptable standards of behavior. Because we know that there is a stereotypical culture against black people that calls for the harshest punishments possible regardless of the crime or the lack thereof. Young blacks being disrespectful to figures of authority is enough to justify the heavy handed practice of law enforcement. It is this piece of the culture that too many black people are afraid to address because of the possibility that they appear too sympathetic to the plight of the black community.
And by the way, Africans never traded for gold. Africans had all the gold they needed. Africans didn’t trade other Africans for white people’s gold. That’s another ridiculous contention from you. Africa had a history of slavery that predates white people. That is very true. When tribes conquered other tribes the conquered people became subject to Africa’s version of slavery. Eventually, the conquered people earned a place of equality in the new larger tribe. African slaves were never in chains and kept separate. African slaves learned the ways of the tribe just like anyone else. African slaves were not kept ignorant and their families were not broken on the whims of some owner. African slaves were never anybody’s personal property and were eventually assimilated to make the tribe stronger.
When Africans traded other Africans away it was for weapons from the white man that they could use to conquer other tribes. The weapons allowed favored tribes to take over other tribes far quicker than the people of the other tribes could be assimilated. The white people offered to take the conquered away so the favored tribe could continue its grab for territory. Africans probably didn’t realize the depths of the new world’s contempt for black people. They probably thought slavery in the white man’s land would mirror the African model of slavery.
Lastly, an apology is not always some admission of personal guilt. An apology is used to convey a sense of sorrow when there is a sense of compassion. People do it all the time. But the idea of somebody like you have a sense of compassion for black people? Not hardly. You talk about wiping the bias off your computer screen when you ought to wiping your ass because of all the bias coming out of it. I do believe it looks like you have a serious case of diarrhea.